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[Lolly Basher]

Questions will be up tomorrow, guys! Sorry i've been so busy but I will get to it.

[Lolly Basher]

So better late than never

I'm not going to lie, I feel like one of you played a better game than the other and am slightly inclined to vote that way, but I always give everyone a chance so I have two simple questions to ask of each of you that is about your game and will give me some insight into it.

1) If you could have your ideal Final 2, being you and anyone else in this game, who would you select and why?

2) Who would you consider your biggest overall ally AND biggest overall enemy in this game and why?

Thanks, guys! Wish you both the best of luck. Sorry for being boring Lolly but duty calls and i'm a busy woman.

[Chris Evans]

Nov 8, 2011 15:54:32 GMT -5 @Lolly said:

1) If you could have your ideal Final 2, being you and anyone else in this game, who would you select and why?

2) Who would you consider your biggest overall ally AND biggest overall enemy in this game and why?

Thanks, guys! Wish you both the best of luck. Sorry for being boring Lolly but duty calls and i'm a busy woman.

Thanks Lolly!

1) After knowing what I know now, it would have to be either Eve or Sausage, because it appears both were 100% true to me. I'm going to say Eve because we made a concrete final two and shared the same allies / plans for most of the game. So if I were in the final two with her we would have common enemies in the Jury. A lot of the other people (Sandra/You/Holly-Marie) were people I felt could be my final two at certain points, but we never agreed to it. So once Eve and agreed, I was going to stick by her 100% and try and keep her in. So because of our official agreement, she would be my ideal.

2) This is a tough one. It really is hard to pick my biggest ally. Had you planned on being loyal to the end with me, I'd of said you. Because without your back to back HoH wins, who knows what would of happened. That helped target some people who would of potentially targeted me. If felt like you and I were doing all the work eliminating the competition at the merge phase.
Sandra was someone I felt I could share almost any piece of game news. We had an undetected alliance to most people at the start and carried it until it became obvious. (Late obvious) But she wasn't keeping me safe because she wasn't winning. Nor did I think she wanted me in the end, especially when there was Lindsay.
Sausage and James, I always felt, would of took the other. My relationship felt scarred with Sausage after Barack/James drama. So that leaves Eve and Holly-Marie. Eve and I had a deal for most of the game, but it was never a concrete one. There was no expiration period, and there was no set period either. There was a concern she was being a double agent. In the end she became my closest ally and my final two. She helped me through at the final 5 when I was vulnerable just like I helped her through final 6.
Ultimately, when you look at how the game played out from start to finish, I'm going to have to say Holly-Marie was my biggest overall ally. We had honesty with one another as friends from the start to the end. She told me she didn't want to sit next to me in the finals. Normally when someone tells you something like that, you want them out. But I felt I could convince her otherwise. I think we were comfortable sharing any bit of game information, and not worried about it spreading and coming back to bite us. During the final HoH I was presented with the opportunity to re-do part 3, but because I knew I could trust her word when she said she'd take me, I let it go. She chose to bring me here based on our friendship so I thank her for that.

My biggest overall enemy is very easy: Barack. We both felt we were eachother's biggest competition. I knew the game he was playing before I nominated him. He had a similar game to myself, to where he was good with almost everyone. He was clearly the biggest threat and a good manipulator. There was the possibility of teaming up, but at the time I knew I would of felt a lot better had be been eliminated. He was in my way from winning competitions and he was eliminating people close to me.


Thanks Lolli-pop

[Holly Marie Combs]

1) If you could have your ideal Final 2, being you and anyone else in this game, who would you select and why?

2) Who would you consider your biggest overall ally AND biggest overall enemy in this game and why?



Sorry guys, once again, I'm running out of time. I hope these answers even make sense at this point. If they don't, I'm sure someone will tell me in great detail <3 I wanted to write a closing statement before I head out to work as I know votes are going to be submitted tomorrow I believe. Ciao!



1) Haha, after the ticklefest I've had with Chris in this jury questioning, I would have to say probably not him (sorry ). In keeping with my strategy of wanting to win. If I could pick someone to go with to the end, I hate to say it, but I'd probably pick someone I could beat. I'd love to say I'd go with someone that I was super close to the entire game, and our mutual respect for one another would propel us to the final 2. I can't really say that about anyone, because everyone that I really wanted to work with seemed to have plans with several other players. Often with people that i had 0 desire to work with. Anyway, since I thought I'd have a decent shot at winning against Chris and it seems as though anything but that is getting ready to happen. I'd love to pick someone that I think I could beat, but I've obviously proven my lack of skill with that.
Seeing how I've been viewed by several jury members, it seems as though unless I was here against Adam Levine, I'd pretty much wouldn't have much of a shot (and even then, I'd only win if Levine was a dick to the jurors.......well, more of the jurors than I been )

2) It's hard for me to say who my biggest ally or enemy was. The way I tried to play the game was flexible. If anyone annoyed or upset me, I wouldn't necessarily let them know or tell myself I wouldn't work with them. Conversely, I've been in allstar games where there are more pregame alliances than stars in the sky. So if someone wanted to work with me, I usually was cool with it, but I took most alliances in this game with a grain of salt. However, to answer your question, if I HAD to pick an enemy, I would have to say (sorry) Eve. Eve was a shoe-in to win season 1, and I felt had I not stopped her, she would have beaten all of us. So walking in to season 4, I was definitely afraid. Eve seemed to have forgiven the shakedown of season 1, but she still showed several telltale signs that she was playing a similar game. After Orlando, who trusted Eve implicitly and despite my warnings that she might snake the group that we had building, was evicted, It solidified in my head that she needed to go. Following the eviction she blamed Barack for Orlando being on the block and said "I possibly could have changed my mind had you been online last night" So I'd probably say Eve. I felt like she wasn't coming after me, but I knew she wasn't taking me final 2. I still think she's a great gal and one of the toughest players the series has ever seen, but yeah. I'd go with her.

As far as biggest ally.... As I said before, I took my allies with a grain of salt. All-star games are tough, because often times it's about who you've played with in the past and not what's going on in that particular game. As seemed to be the case with a lot of people in this game. I would have to say my biggest ally (in terms of who I communicated with the most in the game) was probably Chris. Which is funny because I told him time and time again that I might vote him out come final 4 or 3. Chris and I were early favorites to win in season 3 and we both definitely got the shaft by the end of that game. When it turned out we knew each other going more than just as season 3 allies going into the game.


Thanks Lolly!

[Eve Torres]

I call bull-crap.

I may be your biggest enemy now, but during the game I was nowhere close.

You know you don't have my vote so why give another name and maybe ruin the chances of a juror voting for you to win? Getting revenge from season 1 was never on my mind.

If we were such enemies in the game, why did I want you in the final 3, why didn't I vote you out over LiLo when I had the opportunity, why did I vote to keep you over Kathy, why didn't I nominate you the first time I won hoh?

How can you say my voting out Orlando went against the group we had formed, when Lolly was supposed to also be in that group. And yes, if you had been there more often than you were, you maybe could have changed my mind. I was all for season 1 sticking together...Barack nominated them, not me.

But now I understand why you always play alias. YOU can't let go of the past, so you don't expect other people to either.

And if you had brought Adam Levine to the final 2, I'd be voting for him to win over you. LOL.
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Rant concluded.

[Holly Marie Combs]

hun, I don't even have time to read all this.

It was really hard to pick a biggest enemy. I really didn't have one. You were the person I was wanting out for a large portion of the game. I'm sorry I don't have time to discuss this one, but I have to leave for work like right now. THere were multiple times I trusted you in the game. WHile I say you might have been my biggest enemy, you were also at several times of the game a great ally. if the votes aren't all cast by the time i get home, I'll read and defend my statement. Later y'all!

[Holly Marie Combs]

I take it back, I read it.

I know you would have voted for him.

[Holly Marie Combs]

praying that using this computer at work won't get me in trouble.

I will say a few things to you Eve and then hopefully we can just agree to disagree....


You told me before I evicted you that you would still consider voting me even if I evicted you then you went immediately against that after I did. Ok...

You refuse to vote for me because I didn't willingly walk into a final 3 where the other finalists had promised each other final 2. I caught wind of that and broke it up. I don't know why that's so heartless/selfish, but you're entitled to view things as you may. I don't know what to tell you other than I got you before you got me. I'm really sorry that every time I post on this board now you either have to play grammar police or be Chris' defense lawyer.

Truth of the matter is, I let go of the season 1 stuff until Orlando was voted out. In my mind up until that point, the 3 of us had something going on as the season 1 sweet people. If I misread something, then that's on me. However, it felt like you were putting Orlando's evicted on Barack and myself. It upset me and made me think you were playing everyone like you were in season 1. Orlando trusted you implicitly when I had my doubts. So if the guy who has nothing but faith in you gets the axe, then I as the person who got you out in season 1 would have to be pretty stupid to feel safe with you. It felt too much like you were working too many angles. And this may surprise you, BUT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THAT. Yes, you were an ally after Orlando was evicted. However, I wasn't naive to some of the things you were doing just like I wasn't naive in season 1. As far as me answering Lolly's question. Who do you think would have been a more fitting enemy for? Doesn't mean I don't like you or that you didn't help me out in this game. You helped me out incredibly and I am appreciative of that. However, as far as people I felt I needed to be on my toes for, I'm sorry, but you were on that list.

"But now I understand why you always play alias. YOU can't let go of the past, so you don't expect other people to either. "

You played a particular way in season 1 and I caught wind of it and acted accordingly.
If you play a VERY SIMILAR way in season 4, you can't be surprised that I respond in a VERY SIMILAR way. You are an amazing player and would have been a HUGE threat in the end game. Not trying to butter you up or get your vote at this point, just stating my side.

Nothing personal and I hope this won't insight a feud between us.

[Eve Torres]

I also told you that if you didn't evict me and I went out at 3, that I would come into the jury house and make a case for you to win, so now I'm doing the opposite since it didn't work out that way. I also remember telling you that you getting my vote would be a lot less likely if you did evict me, now it's not possible at all.

I do blame Barack for Orlando's eviction. He's the one who put him up with the intention of him walking out. I never said I blamed it on you. What I did say was that if you had been around more so we could talk about it, maybe I'd have changed my mind. I was always trying to keep the season 1 peeps together, but certain people (ie. Barack) had other plans. You are forgetting that Orlando was up against Lolly, another one of our former housemates, someone I was also close to. Did you ever tell me that you wanted you, me and Orlando to go far together as a threesome? No. Because you always had doubts about how I was playing the game, even though I never put you in any danger. Unfortunately around that time, we didn't communicate as much as I'd like, but I was never out to get you. And your reasoning is that you felt I was playing too many angles, so you needed to be wary of me. I didn't make deals with a million people, I may have had good relationships with some, but I didn't have a final 2 deal with anyone until final 6. You floated for much of the game, telling us you remained "flexible", so how is that any different?

The part that bothers me the most, was that when I broke that tie in your favor, there was no question in my mind...that was what I was always going to do. When you won that final veto, you said you didn't want to win and acted like winning it was the worst thing that could happen to you. I wanted to punch you in the face. I wanted it, Sandra wanted it. And the funny thing is, had either of us won it, that week would have ended right there. Sandra and I didn't see eye to eye on some things, we were even after each other, but I still have a lot of respect for her and how she played the game, something that I don't have for you at this moment in time...maybe that will change in the future.

But for now, I'm done arguing with you. We won't ever get anywhere. That's the story of Holly Marie and Eve though, isn't it?

[Holly Marie Combs]

At this point, I don't even view it as arguing. I just feel as though we're just expressing our opinions of the game. And if I was wrong to think you, Orlando and i had something going forward, then why did you come up to me final 4 claiming that you always thought we had an "unspoken" final 2 agreement?

I only disagree about blaming barack for Orlando's eviction because you had the ability to keep Orlando. Yes, In the grand scheme of things it's Barack's fault that season 1 was broken up. I'm not forgetting that Lolly was on the block. I understand you if you felt closer to Lolly ( I adore her too, but I wasn't as close to her as Orlando) However, I don't feel it's fair to pin the eviction on Barack. You could have made it 5-3 but didn't.

I know you never said you blamed me, that's just how I felt. Like when you wanted to punch me in the face final 4, that was my punch in the face moment for Eve.

Eve, if I am just being the brat here and you never would have done me wrong in this game, then I'm sorry. I truly am. As a person I think you're great. Perhaps I've been knifed in the back too many times in these games to give someone the benefit of the doubt after I am wary of them. I don't know.

[Eve Torres]

Before I had a final 2 deal (when we were down to six), anything was possible. I did think we had a different relationship this time around and would have been willing to go to the end with you, but wasn't exactly sure where we stood at all times. Mostly I was unsure about your feelings towards me, because I knew how I felt about working with you. Evicting Orlando wasn't an easy decision, and there were many factors involved, including what Barack wanted and my closeness to Lolly. I may have listened to too many of the wrong people, that's why talking to you about it may have made me think a little more clearly about that decision. But I didn't think it would affect our relationship as it did though and become the catalyst for your wariness of me.

Obviously I've made some mistakes, we all have. I still don't know if I did the right thing, as it kept Lolly in the game. But to err is human. I'm not always a robot, you know. And if I wasn't so upset by your decision to evict me after helping you so much throughout the game, I wouldn't be going on and on about it or giving you such a hard time.

Even though you feel I had been playing many different angles, I really am quite a loyal person, sometimes to a fault it would seem. Because regardless of whether or not I'd have taken you to the end, I'd still have given you the chance to compete in the final hoh because of our relationship and our history.

I'm done with this back and forth with you. I apologize for being a bitch towards you since my eviction. We'll talk once the game is over.