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[Lolly Basher]

Nov 1, 2011 0:47:24 GMT -5 Lindsay Lohan said:

Nov 1, 2011 0:22:33 GMT -5 @Lolly said:

Ehhh... Chris won HoH. lol

Then I'll be voting for Sandra or HM.

LOL no. I meant that if Eve had evicted Holly Marie t I think Chris still would have won that HoH so one of you would still be sitting here possibly.

Why are you so against voting for Chris?

[Lolly Basher]

In reply to Eve's last post but too lazy to go back and quote:
I guess depending on the finals that's true that we'll all have one person, but i'm sorry but I really just don't feel that I'd be happy with awarding Holly Marie or Sandra the win in this game. I don't feel like they deserve it over Chris, and I don't even feel they deserve it over some of us who have already been evicted. When I think winner of All Starz, neither of them really come to mind.

[James Franco]

Lolly stop pushing Chris down the rest of our throats... yes he won a bunch of competitions and yes he did get to call many of the shots for the rest of us (since you guys were acting like hypnotized zombie-drones)... BUT here's the thing... he's been powerful, he's been aggressive... he's set himself up to get to the final 2 for sure. but he's forgotten the most important thing... people actually have to like him and want him to win in the end. Honestly Lolly... despite what you think, Chris is not that likable of a person/player. I equate him to Russell from Survivor... he's great at making it far and dominating the game, but he doesn't get how to win the game (look at how many of us in the jury house are NOT rooting him on right now)... Just like Russell... I expect him to be in the final 2, but I don't see him getting the win. He forgot the biggest part of this game... to make it to the end (and be well-liked). I think Sandra/Holly Marie have the most potential when it comes to that... but hey, what do I know?

ps I love how the f3 represent all 3 seasons

[Sausage Wacker]

Not sure where my vote will go but everyone did their part.

[Eve Torres]

I said I'm fine with either Chris or Sandra winning. So I'm rooting for both. Chris did play the best game to get to the end, but I do partially agree with James. Because now the jury that he had a hand in evicting, is going to have to decide who deserves the win. But as far as HM being likeable...why wouldn't she be? She hasn't done anything. P.S. I don't like her right now, if that isn't obvious yet. LOL.

[Lindsay Lohan]

Obvs, I would vote for Sandra in a heartbeat. But I would prefer HM to win over chris because I think she had a harder road to get there from the start, and Chris always comes off as really smug to me, and I don't want to reward that.

[Eve Torres]

How did HM have a harder road from the start? Sure, she's a previous winner, but there were others people saw as bigger threats (Barack, Orlando, Deb), so she hid in the background and STAYED there the entire game. Plus she did have allies that were loyal at the start (myself one of them), I think Chris had to fight harder to stay in the game and get to where he has, because I think he may have come into this season as a loner in a sense.

[Lolly Basher]

I'm not pushing Chris, I just truly think of this final 3 he's the only one deserving of the title "winner". I could care less if everyone agrees, but I am going to voice my opinion - i'm sure that doesn't surprise any of you.

Thing being, he had a hand in evicting a lot of the jury, but he was put in a position where he had to if he wanted any shot at making the end. We can bring up the "disloyalty" factor, but it would have been pure stupidity of him to stick with your side when he was clearly at the BOTTOM of it.

[Sausage Wacker]

Chris was in no sense a loner in this game. He quickly made allies. I had little to no interaction with him in season 3 and this time I knew and wanted to work with him. We'd been talking since week 1 and I thought we had a pretty good thing coming. I knew I was toast when he just straight up nominated me though.

[James Franco]

not really... if he stuck with our side.. he had options. it would've been me, kathy, barack, Sausage and him... and he wanted Sausage me him f3. so idk.. I think at some point he has to pay the price for making deals with people, and yet not following through when he had the power.

and just FYI Lolly.. had I or Barack won HoH the week I was evicted by Chris.. (which Barack and I almost did btw) he would NOT have gone up. Whether he was at the bottom or not... we helped him win that HoH, and would've followed through with the deal had we got the power... the problem was, Chris had deals with EVERYONE so he had to pick a side at that point... which is great.. good for him. Now he should be worried that the same people he fucked over get to vote to pick the winner... tough love baby.

If he was really with you guys.. he shouldn't have been trying to cover his bases with our side in case we won something (ps that means that the rest of you guys in Chris' alliance would've been screwed over)... aka if I won or Barack won.. Chris would've been fine pretending he's with us and letting one of you guys take the fall instead... (probably Eve or Lolly at that point) and that's how he operates and I think it's a bitch-ass way of playing. Sure it brings him to the end.. but he looks like a lying ass little weasel. Plus.. like Lindsay said.. he's a smug little bastard anyway. Not a Chris fan... and I don't see you converting me Lolly, sorry! SANDRA/HM FTW!

[Eve Torres]

Nov 2, 2011 11:58:38 GMT -5 @Sausage said:

Chris was in no sense a loner in this game.

I'm just talking about coming into the game. HM had (whether she wanted it or not) all of us from season 1 (Lolly, Barack, Orlando, Kathy, myself) looking out for her in the beginning, as an almost alliance. LOL Seemed nobody wanted it like I did, because they started targeting each other. But most of us had a lot of time to prepare for the game, while Chris was a last minute addition. So he already missed out on some valuable time getting to know other people, setting up alliances, etc.

My argument is only that Chris had a harder road than HM did at the start. And it seems he'll have a harder road at the end as well, getting the votes to win. HM hasn't made enemies (save for me) because she hasn't done anything.

[Lindsay Lohan]

Chris made more alliances early on, had the easiest road of the three for the majority of the game in my opinion.

[Eve Torres]

So how in your opinion did HM have a tougher road than Chris? I'm just curious. And I like that most of us are getting involved in these discussions. As much as it sucks being out the game, this part's kind of fun too.

[Lolly Basher]

Nov 2, 2011 12:31:27 GMT -5 James Franco said:

not really... if he stuck with our side.. he had options. it would've been me, kathy, barack, Sausage and him... and he wanted Sausage me him f3. so idk.. I think at some point he has to pay the price for making deals with people, and yet not following through when he had the power.

and just FYI Lolly.. had I or Barack won HoH the week I was evicted by Chris.. (which Barack and I almost did btw) he would NOT have gone up. Whether he was at the bottom or not... we helped him win that HoH, and would've followed through with the deal had we got the power... the problem was, Chris had deals with EVERYONE so he had to pick a side at that point... which is great.. good for him. Now he should be worried that the same people he fucked over get to vote to pick the winner... tough love baby.

If he was really with you guys.. he shouldn't have been trying to cover his bases with our side in case we won something (ps that means that the rest of you guys in Chris' alliance would've been screwed over)... aka if I won or Barack won.. Chris would've been fine pretending he's with us and letting one of you guys take the fall instead... (probably Eve or Lolly at that point) and that's how he operates and I think it's a bitch-ass way of playing. Sure it brings him to the end.. but he looks like a lying ass little weasel. Plus.. like Lindsay said.. he's a smug little bastard anyway. Not a Chris fan... and I don't see you converting me Lolly, sorry! SANDRA/HM FTW!

I'm aware of all of this, but when he was he was the bottom of the alliance through that competition he chose to choose this side [not "our" side, because at this point it truly wasn't a side vs. side battle lol] .... and he made the choice to go against you guys because it was in his best interest.

As far as making a lot of alliances, yes he did, he's obviously suffering the consequences of that now haha.

[Lolly Basher]

Nov 2, 2011 22:18:03 GMT -5 Lindsay Lohan said:

Chris made more alliances early on, had the easiest road of the three for the majority of the game in my opinion.

But isn't that to be attributed to his success? Making alliances is part of the game and the fact that people didn't catch on earlier is there own ondoing. Idk

I feel like Holly Marie was like me for much of the game - invis I just didn't see her step it up much til this past week.

Sandra on the other hand is alright, but she was not really a big player in the game at all.