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Post by Sandra Bullock on Nov 7, 2011 23:00:32 GMT -5
 First off, I want to say to each of you congratulations for getting to the Final 2. Regardless of what any of us have to say tonight you guys were able to outlast us all. You both deserve to be there in your own individual ways and I can honesty say that whichever of you wins I will be satisfied with the ending.
However, I am going to be tough on each of you because I want you to work for my vote. When I left this game I thought I was voting one way, but after seeing some of your responses I'm starting to question if I know who deserves to get my vote. I feel like I know the way you guys have played the game and am taking note to everything you're saying in response to everyone else question. So I hope you answer these honestly.
Chris, there is no question that throughout the season you were above the radar. You won several competitions and weren't afraid to make big moves. More then anything though I respected your ability to show raw emotions toward people that you didn't like. I don't think you sugar coated much in this game and I think overall you played very solid.
However, I think while you still don't seem to want to admit it, you made way too many deals. I have never respected people who make deals with almost every person in the house to keep themselves safe. You made some sort of deal with everyone on this Jury and in the process went back on some of those deals. I also felt very betrayed when you nominated me at the Final 5. For me it showed that I couldn't trust you and you might have been playing me. Know that I was never playing you.
My question to you is why don't you deserve to win?
Holly Marie, I have to say that our games could in someways be considered similar. We both kinda went under the radar because we felt if we didn't that we would end up leaving very early. People seem to overlook the fact though that you have won several competitions and are solely responsible for a couple people ending up on this jury. So you made the moves, you just weren't in the lime light like Chris was. I can say that I have always respected your civility throughout this game. You didn't end up getting in any fights while you were in the house and I think that should account for something.
However, I seriously question your desire to win. I feel as though you came into this Final already expecting to lose. Some of your comments that you have made (Eve mentioned one) really make me think you took Chris to the Final 2 because you thought you had no chance of winning so you brought the person you felt was more deserving of winning. You pretty much said that at one point to me. I have a feeling though you might be regretting taking Chris now as he is pretty much slandering your name and picking at your game every opportunity he has. So while you may have been loyal to him...I'm not sure that is helping you out anymore. lol.
My question to you is if knowing what you know now, would you still bring Chris to the Final 2? If yes, why? If no, why?
Thanks guys! I look forward to your answers! |
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Post by Chris Evans on Nov 8, 2011 0:19:22 GMT -5
Chris, there is no question that throughout the season you were above the radar. You won several competitions and weren't afraid to make big moves. More then anything though I respected your ability to show raw emotions toward people that you didn't like. I don't think you sugar coated much in this game and I think overall you played very solid. However, I think while you still don't seem to want to admit it, you made way too many deals. I have never respected people who make deals with almost every person in the house to keep themselves safe. You made some sort of deal with everyone on this Jury and in the process went back on some of those deals. I also felt very betrayed when you nominated me at the Final 5. For me it showed that I couldn't trust you and you might have been playing me. Know that I was never playing you Thank you Sandra I am not hiding the fact I made a lot of deals. The alliances/deals I had were explained in my opening. There were tons of people in this game I didn't have an alliance with. (Nearly the entire Pre-Jury + Kathy/Lindsay are those I didn't have alliances with) A lot of the people I made alliances with made the merge of the game, and I think I helped with that. Eliminating as many people who I didn't think would have my back over those who I felt good with. Clearly my strategy was not under the radar, so I chose to get a lot of support that I figured I'd need. I respect UTR games if they are done right, but it's not the style of gameplay I wanted for this Allstars game. I think a lot of people felt I was one of their top allies...and in turn that kept me from danger. But when you look at the deals I went against...it's not that much. I feel I only betrayed one person who would of had my back. (Sausage) I wouldn't of betrayed James had he not acted the way he did...so that alliance was broken by his decision to throw in the towel. Holly-Marie went against Eve..so I think we're pretty much even in going against deals. Because when you look at my game..there are 6 key allies. Holly-Marie/Eve/Sandra/Lolly/Sausage/James. I explained James/Sausage...which leaves the other 4. 3 of which were evicted. None of those eliminations were made by me. I was able to make it here keeping those bridges intact. I was never playing you. You were considered a top ally for me from the start of this game all the way until the Final 5. You and Holly-Marie were the two I felt best about for the first half. After Lindsay came back and you had another very close ally...and Holly-Marie wasn't communicating as much..Lolly eventually took that position. Because I felt she and I were taking control in the competitions to get the game rolling. I was looking for a final two after Lolly's elimination. My Final 6 HoH was all about picking who I could trust and who I'd want to go to the end with. You were a very closed book on those discussions, I felt, and I didn't get good vibes that you wanted to go to the end with me. In order to get rid of the person I felt needed to go, I had to put you up. Because I knew Lindsay would be keeping you..so you weren't at any risk in my eyes. Nominating Eve would of been the best thing for your game and left me in a precarious spot. So I'm sorry that you felt betrayed by your nomination, but know that I had no intentions of you leaving when I made that replacement nominee. I fully expected you to be in the Final 5 like you were. I don't believe I'm slandering her name or picking at it every chance I get. I was asked a specific question about why my game was harder. My answer to the question was honest and I know there are several other people who felt the same things about her while we were playing this game. She clearly knew those things were going to be said about her in Jury Questioning. Just like I knew I'd take some heat for some of my HoH's. I kind of get the vibe this question is geared for Holly-Marie.   The reason I don't deserve to win is if the Jurors feel I made too many enemies. I feel like the statement you made against my game is the only reason why I could lose. So to answer your question....... you presented the reason why. Did Mr. Chris Evans burn bridges beyond repair? I can't possibly answer that. I'll have to see. I can only say I made the choices I did for strategy purposes. I know several people have thought I played too harshly, but I personally feel like it's nit-picking because in the end I don't think I backstabbed as much people as I'm made out to have. So I hope I cleared that up on top! thanks again! |
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Post by Holly Marie Combs on Nov 9, 2011 12:26:35 GMT -5
My question to you is why don't you deserve to win? I kind of get the vibe this question is geared for Holly-Marie. Modest much? |
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Post by Eve Torres on Nov 9, 2011 12:39:16 GMT -5
I hope I'm not out of line here, but Sandra's question to you seems pretty straightforward, but you ignore it to instead focus on something Chris said.
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Post by Holly Marie Combs on Nov 9, 2011 13:09:45 GMT -5
Hey Sandra, thank you so much for the accolades. It's much appreciated. As I said before, I'm a very emotional person. At the time of the final 4, I had EVERYONE tell me they wanted me in the final 2. As I said to everyone at the time, I felt as though everyone thought they could take me to the end and win. However, no offense to Chris, if I truly felt I had no shot at winning, I wouldn't have brought him to the end. We both had our doubts about winning bringing the other to the final 2. My commentary about final deals and not deserving and all that was a momentary lapse in confidence. Normally if everyone in the final 4 not only wants to take you to the final 2, but they are all aware that everyone else does too, it's probably not because you viewed as the hardest to beat. However, I bounced back mentally, and I am here to tell everyone that I played to win and WANT to win. It's why I voted out friends and voted out people who DID keep me safe throughout the game. It wasn't personal, it was gameplay. If I DIDN'T want to win, I would have just played a game for everyone else and voted people out based on what friends/allies wanted. Which i definitely did not do. And in MOST cases, I didn't even lie about it. So much so, that the person who repeatedly asked me for a final 2, went and made one elsewhere. Obviously I wasn't perfect and went back on my word significantly to Eve, however, I smelled the closeness of Chris and Eve brewing which helped in my decision to evict her.
Saying I wouldn't take Chris to the end if I knew what I knew now would only make me look weak I feel. In general I trust my instincts and they've worked for me in this game. If I lose to Chris 7-0 and find out I would have won against Sandra, I will definitely be feeling pretty dumb, but that's just how things go down. I don't necessarily regret taking Chris to the end. However, I wasn't anticipating so many people to have the "I don't have much to say, and pretty much know who I'm voting for." And "If I vote for H-M, it will actually be me voting AGAINST Chris." I knew I was going to have to deal with that going into the finale, but I wasn't this degree. I can't go back and change the fact that there were competitions that whether on purpose or not, I didn't win. Perhaps an err on my part, but I don't regret it. If I'm destroyed in a landslide decision and the same thing WOULDN'T have happened had I brought you, then Franco is right and I'll win dumbass of the season. At THAT point, I'd probably be thinking Chris should have gone. That, however, is something I'm sure most people feel when they win the final 3 challenge and take the person who eventually wins to the end. So we'll just have to see when the votes come in. I feel I would have had a similarly difficult fight against you, Sandra.
I feel as though I might be talking too much now, so I'm going to cut this off. Thanks again for the kind words Sandra. <3 <3
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Post by Holly Marie Combs on Nov 9, 2011 13:11:24 GMT -5
I hope I'm not out of line here, but Sandra's question to you seems pretty straightforward, but you ignore it to instead focus on something Chris said. Not out of line at all Eve. However, I wrote that and then began answering Sandra's question. There was no ignoring happening.  Ok, So maybe it was a liiiiittle out of line.  |
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Post by Chris Evans on Nov 9, 2011 16:54:45 GMT -5
Well how about, instead of spending 3 hours on a non-game related question (Kathy's), especially from someone whose likely favoring you, you answer the other game ones.  |
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Post by Eve Torres on Nov 9, 2011 17:35:56 GMT -5
I hope I'm not out of line here, but Sandra's question to you seems pretty straightforward, but you ignore it to instead focus on something Chris said. Not out of line at all Eve. However, I wrote that and then began answering Sandra's question. There was no ignoring happening. Ok, So maybe it was a liiiiittle out of line. Sorry, I should have said "postpone" instead of "ignore". |
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Post by Holly Marie Combs on Nov 9, 2011 17:39:20 GMT -5
Oh please, you take a question directed at you and make a very arrogant comment about about me when i'm already obviously not the favorite of several to win. And then start telling me how to answer jury questions because I call you on a pretty messed up thing that you said? Ok..... silly me.  Please remind me which questions I've yet to answer? *examines nails* Go ahead, I'll wait. Oh wow, one whole question. Jeez, what would I do without you? ;D |
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Post by Eve Torres on Nov 9, 2011 17:43:39 GMT -5
I know you're talking to Chris, but I'm going to direct you to Lolly's thread, since I'm here. And it's two questions. |
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Post by Holly Marie Combs on Nov 9, 2011 17:52:58 GMT -5
guess I should have said questioning instead of question. Whoops.
Thank god Eve is always there to tell me when I'm wrong, lol <3
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Post by Sandra Bullock on Nov 9, 2011 19:39:42 GMT -5
I'm satisfied! Thank you both!
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Post by Chris Evans on Nov 9, 2011 21:14:06 GMT -5
Oh please, you take a question directed at you and make a very arrogant comment about about me when i'm already obviously not the favorite of several to win. And then start telling me how to answer jury questions because I call you on a pretty messed up thing that you said? Ok..... silly me. Please remind me which questions I've yet to answer? *examines nails* Go ahead, I'll wait. Oh wow, one whole question. Jeez, what would I do without you? ;D Lol arrogant comment? You are the one always quoting my replies. Stop playing the "victim" u have just as many if not more supporters than me. |
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Post by Holly Marie Combs on Nov 9, 2011 23:23:22 GMT -5
Arg!!! I don't want to be at odds with you anymore Chris. If I was out of line, I will shut up. What you said upset me, and I made a comment about it. I also felt you were insinuating that I spend lots of time on the fun question and little on the serious ones, which is why I called you arrogant. Do I think you're an arrogant person, no. It's very possible that you really did just mean the "I think this is for HM" comment in jest. And if we're having this discussion now because my sense of humor about myself needs to be stronger, then I just won't respond if I think you might be kidding. I started this, I didn't think it would turn into this, so I'm stopping it. As far as supporters, yeah..... We'll see.....? |
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Post by Chris Evans on Nov 9, 2011 23:26:24 GMT -5
You clearly haven't been paying attention to the other threads if you don't think you have support.
Second!! How is "I kind of get the vibe this question is geared for Holly-Marie. :\ ;(" a jab at you?
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The reason I don't deserve to win is if the Jurors feel I made too many enemies. I feel like the statement you made against my game is the only reason why I could lose. So to answer your question....... you presented the reason why. Did Mr. Chris Evans burn bridges beyond repair? I can't possibly answer that. I'll have to see. I can only say I made the choices I did for strategy purposes. I know several people have thought I played too harshly, but I personally feel like it's nit-picking because in the end I don't think I backstabbed as much people as I'm made out to have. So I hope I cleared that up on top!
Ok, So maybe it was a liiiiittle out of line. 
