I would have been a goner if Sandra had won PoV. So I suppose I should be grateful I at least have a shot with HM.
It's a long conversation, and I'm not sure it will accomplish anything (I feel like she's had her mind made up), but I had to try.
divaevetorres 4:08 pm
hi again.
Holly Marie Combs 4:08 pm
Hey there
divaevetorres 4:09 pm
you should go read veto results if you haven't already. :-P
Holly Marie Combs 4:11 pm
you have GOT to be kidding.
divaevetorres 4:11 pm
ha ha
Holly Marie Combs 4:11 pm
god damnit.
divaevetorres 4:11 pm
congratulations
Holly Marie Combs 4:11 pm
This sucks. I didn't want this one.
divaevetorres 4:12 pm
I apologize for sending you that pm right after I saw it
I wanted it
LOL
give it to me
:-P
Holly Marie Combs 4:12 pm
Well, here is my only thing.
Holly Marie Combs 4:13 pm
As far as who deserves it, you've played an awesome game and would definitely earn your spot in the final 2.
the problem is, I'm pretty sure you would wipe the floor with my face in the final2.
divaevetorres 4:14 pm
you don't know for sure
Holly Marie Combs 4:14 pm
I'm not saying you're doomed and that I'm about to evict you, but I'm like......ugh, do I want to ensure I get 2nd or 3rd?
Holly Marie Combs 4:15 pm
But then I feel selfish for wanting another win.....
divaevetorres 4:15 pm
It would be an accomplishment
but like I told you before, there are reasons people would vote for you
Holly Marie Combs 4:16 pm
I don't think being a previous winner is much of a stake to win.
divaevetorres 4:17 pm
right, but it's the way you've managed to stay in the game after being a winner who destroyed people in her season.
:-P
Holly Marie Combs 4:17 pm
Y
Holly Marie Combs 4:17 pm
yeah, but I did that by being quiet as humanly possibly. Not exactly a strong case in trying to garner votes.
divaevetorres 4:18 pm
I wasn't loud either
people thrust me into the spotlight for whatever reasons to try to get me evicted on ocassion
haha
I don't suppose it means anything that I would not have evicted you if I had won this one?
lol
divaevetorres 4:20 pm
and I know I put up last week, but I saved you when it mattered. :-P You were always safe with me.
Holly Marie Combs 4:20 pm
I know......it's not about trust, or even how I feel about you.
divaevetorres 4:20 pm
I do understand your point of view
Holly Marie Combs 4:20 pm
I had my strong opinions for you.
divaevetorres 4:20 pm
but it would suck
Holly Marie Combs 4:20 pm
especially in season 1.
divaevetorres 4:20 pm
I know it. ha ha.
Holly Marie Combs 4:21 pm
and this game I've been wary of you ever since Orlando left.
but you have kept me safe on numerous occasions.
divaevetorres 4:21 pm
dude, that's one if not my biggest regret
I shouldn't have listened to the Prez
Holly Marie Combs 4:21 pm
and I would obviously have little to no shot at your vote if I evicted you.
I'm just looking at things from a game point standpoint.
divaevetorres 4:22 pm
I know
Holly Marie Combs 4:22 pm
and it sucks, because I don't think sandra worked that hard to get here......but conversely, I haven't had to fight tooth and nail to get here either....
divaevetorres 4:25 pm
I'm just going to say this: you know I was all for season 1 sticking together. But as things went, certain people didn't see things the same way, so some of us had to fall, and the reason Orlando is gone. He was up against Lolly afterall, and it was the Prez who nominated him. But now there's just you and me.
and it would be cool for the two of us to have a shot at making finals
to show people why our season of Starz truly was the best. :-P
divaevetorres 4:27 pm
like I said though, I can see things from your point of view, it would suck big though to be evicted now.
divaevetorres 4:30 pm
And as much as I'd like to win, I wouldn't do it at the expense of people who I played with and helped me get there.
I suppose you do have one other option. :-P
You can NOT use the veto and I can send Sandra home. LOL
Holly Marie Combs 4:30 pm
haha, you mean staying on the block after I've admitted I feel you're the strongest girl in the house?
divaevetorres 4:31 pm
I've already told you numerous times you'd be safe
I'm not the same Eve as before
:-P
Holly Marie Combs 4:31 pm
I was highlighting that you said that BEFORE I told you I'm wavering between my decision.
divaevetorres 4:32 pm
I'd like to think I've proven I can be trustworthy
haha
Holly Marie Combs 4:32 pm
but yeah, your points are completely valid, and in your shoes I would probably be livid hearing what I (as HM) am saying.
divaevetorres 4:32 pm
I'm not though
livid
Holly Marie Combs 4:32 pm
I know you're not.
divaevetorres 4:32 pm
but honestly it would suck
Holly Marie Combs 4:32 pm
I'm saying *I* would be.
divaevetorres 4:32 pm
I know
:-P
Holly Marie Combs 4:32 pm
and I appreciate you not going off the handle.
divaevetorres 4:32 pm
of course
divaevetorres 4:34 pm
and I do feel kind of awkard asking you to keep me, because it I want you to feel like I have faith that you will.
Holly Marie Combs 4:34 pm
no, you have every reason/right to ask.
like, I'm probably never playing in another all starz game ever again.
it's really is just too hard on me emotionally.
divaevetorres 4:35 pm
It really is
Holly Marie Combs 4:35 pm
and I hate to paint myself as the victim in this situation.
divaevetorres 4:35 pm
it's fine
haha
Holly Marie Combs 4:36 pm
but yeah, I quit playing games with a familiar SN ages ago, because it's emotionally draining to vote out people you actually like.
Holly Marie Combs 4:36 pm
especially because that more or less puts a black mark on your relationship
divaevetorres 4:36 pm
somtimes
it depends on the person I guess
but I've found that you can usually move past things that happened in other games
I think I'm 'retiring' from ORGS in general after this one is done
Holly Marie Combs 4:37 pm
:-( h
divaevetorres 4:37 pm
why the sad face?
they take up way too much time
and I only play in one at a time!
ha ha
divaevetorres 4:41 pm
also
I'm sorry to add to any emotional stress
it's not my intent
Holly Marie Combs 4:42 pm
no, it's fine hun. Like I said, I shouldn't belly ache like I'm the victim.
I HATE when people do that.
it's like have some balls and conviction about what you do.
it's sucks because I know you were Adam and we do have such a tumultuous past.
divaevetorres 4:43 pm
Adam and Will were awesome
haha
divaevetorres 4:44 pm
but this is Holly Marie and Eve, that would quite a story.
:-P
haha I just remembered the name I gave to our alliance in season 1
Holly Marie Combs 4:44 pm
oh and the sad face is that if you retire, I won't run into you at all. I usually play in one game at a time.
divaevetorres 4:44 pm
the Christmas alliance...holly and eve
that was before we went downhill. LOL
Holly Marie Combs 4:45 pm
oh yeah.
what a crazy game.
divaevetorres 4:45 pm
that was then
this is now
divaevetorres 4:46 pm
and see, if you met more people like me, you wouldn't have to worry about having black marks on your relationships. ;-)
and no, that doesn't mean I want you to evict me. ha ha.
Holly Marie Combs 4:46 pm
I figured as much.
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divaevetorres 4:54 pm
if it helps any, I'll be availbe most nights this week for the live 3 part hoh competition. ha ha.
Holly Marie Combs 4:54 pm
lmao
<3
divaevetorres 4:55 pm
:-P
divaevetorres 4:57 pm
if somehow I go forward now and am the next one evicted...ie, you and Chris in the final 2, I would vote for you to win and would make a case for you in the jury house.
cause if you saved me now, I would owe you that much.
Holly Marie Combs 4:58 pm
would you though? you've saved kept me safe before.
divaevetorres 4:58 pm
what do you mean?
Holly Marie Combs 4:59 pm
I just meant I don't feel like you'd owe me anything.
divaevetorres 4:59 pm
oh
Holly Marie Combs 4:59 pm
and I don't know that chris would take me final 2.
divaevetorres 4:59 pm
but I'm telling you that's what I'd do
ha ha
divaevetorres 5:00 pm
if I were evicted now, I'm not saying you wouldn't have my vote to win, but it might be less likely.
I even hated saying that...
Holly Marie Combs 5:00 pm
no, I understand hun.
and i'm not waiting for you to say the right thing so that I can just evict you.
divaevetorres 5:01 pm
I know
and I know it's difficult, and I'll stop pressuring you.
It's just a big deal. :-P
Holly Marie Combs 5:02 pm
I know.
can I ask you something?
divaevetorres 5:02 pm
yes
Holly Marie Combs 5:02 pm
I don't know why I even ask this, because if the answer was yes, I doubt anyone given the current circumstances would say yes.
but do you and Chris have a final 2?
divaevetorres 5:03 pm
not exactly
:-P
kind of the same deal you and I have
divaevetorres 5:04 pm
but we did agree to help each other out at final 6
when it was obvious that the Sandra/Lindsay pair needed to be split while we had the numbers to do it
which kind of bothered me why he didn't do it while he had the chance to
and Sausage ended up leaving instead
but if you're thinking I have a good shot with they jury, Chris can't want to have me in the finals next to him either
Holly Marie Combs 5:06 pm
I don't know.
I've always wondered about your guys relationship.
divaevetorres 5:07 pm
we did talk about people viewing us as threats and needed to help each other at that point, yes.
and maybe it's my own fault, but I may have waited too long to make a final 2 deal with anyone. :-P
cause now it will screw me in the end
divaevetorres 5:09 pm
I kind of hoped we would have one, it's one of those things where you almost assume it, but never really discuss it.
and I'm always nervous to bring it up at all
Holly Marie Combs 5:10 pm
haha, i <3 you, but I definitely know better than that.
divaevetorres 5:10 pm
which part are you talking about?
Holly Marie Combs 5:10 pm
I kind of hoped we would have one, it's one of those things where you almost assume it, but never really discuss it.
divaevetorres 5:10 pm
it's true
ha ha
divaevetorres 5:12 pm
honestly, in the beginning that's what I wanted. As the game progressed, you weren't always around to talk about things, but my loyalty to you was always there, but sometimes I wondered about your thoughts about me.
if I'm being honest
and I know that Orlando vote put a strain on things from your perspective
but nothing changed on my end
Holly Marie Combs 5:13 pm
I'll be honest and say I was waiting more or less for your nail in my coffin.
I was wary trusting you coming into the game because of your awesome social gameplay in season 1.
divaevetorres 5:14 pm
I think I've proved otherwise
divaevetorres 5:14 pm
that I never had it out for you.
Holly Marie Combs 5:14 pm
the orlando vote pretty much struck most of what was going on.
in my head as far as trust goes.
and you have helped me out in the game tremendously. I'm definitely not ignoring that.
I hate this.
If I end up keeping you, I'm going to lose no matter what.
divaevetorres 5:15 pm
you can't say that
Holly Marie Combs 5:15 pm
but at least someone who deserves the win will win it.
divaevetorres 5:15 pm
if you don't keep me, you could end up losing too.
that's not a threat or anything. ha ha.
:-P
just saying it's possible
divaevetorres 5:19 pm
tell me when I start becoming a nuissance. LOL
I don't want to be a pest.
Holly Marie Combs 5:19 pm
you're not.
divaevetorres 5:19 pm
ha ha
I suppose at the very least, I have a chance with you.
divaevetorres 5:21 pm
if Sandra had won veto, I'd be gone already
:-P
Holly Marie Combs 5:21 pm
***Not intending but potentially sounding like a bitch alert**** I'll (again) be (probablly too) honest say I seriously am curious if you'd have been as loyal had I been the comp witch I was in season one haha. ;-) h
divaevetorres 5:21 pm
why wouldn't I have been?
Holly Marie Combs 5:22 pm
I was just having a convo with Chris who said I was guaranteed final 3 regardless of who won veto, and I was like.....Ok, that must mean everyone feels I'm an easy beat in the end/final 3 comp.
divaevetorres 5:23 pm
I can only speak for myself
again
but
I want you in the final 3 because I want YOU in the final 3.
not because I think I can beat you
and I said it before, but I'm serious when I say I'd rather go to the end of the game with someone I've played with for the majority of the game than someone I didn't...aka Sandra. :-P
Holly Marie Combs 5:25 pm
well, it's appreciated.
divaevetorres 5:25 pm
even if it means I could lose, because if I do end up on jury, I can vote for someone I actually want to vote for.
and am not forced to vote for the lesser evil, so to speak.
as was the case with you vs. Orlando in season 1
ha ha
divaevetorres 5:27 pm
but the past is the past
Holly Marie Combs 5:29 pm
haha, what I love is I totally ranted about you being the evil one season 1.
divaevetorres 5:29 pm
LOL
and you've come to realize I'm not evil.
right? :-P
Holly Marie Combs 5:30 pm
I've come to realize that even though you've made moves in season 1 and all starz that I didn't like/appreciate, you're a great player.
h
A little snarky sometimes.
but no, not evil.
divaevetorres 5:30 pm
ha ha
I'll take that
Holly Marie Combs 5:31 pm
;-) h
divaevetorres 5:31 pm
I'm not sure my intentions are to come out sounding snarky
Holly Marie Combs 5:31 pm
I call it like i see it.
divaevetorres 5:31 pm
just you can't tell tone
in ims
:-P
Holly Marie Combs 5:31 pm
haha, I suppose.
you haven't been in a while.
but early in the game, you would say stuff that would make me go.......
divaevetorres 5:31 pm
this game?
Holly Marie Combs 5:31 pm
does she WANT me to not work with her.
lol, yes.
h
divaevetorres 5:32 pm
examples please
I'm curious LOL
divaevetorres 5:32 pm
it's not that important if you don't have any at this moment in time
Holly Marie Combs 5:34 pm
"way to show up"
after I won my first competition.
divaevetorres 5:34 pm
oh
yeah I remember saying that
Holly Marie Combs 5:34 pm
stuff like that. I don't truly commit it to memory, and I'm obviously not pissed off about it now.
but there were moments like that, where I'd go.....
divaevetorres 5:34 pm
but it wasn't meant as an insult
Holly Marie Combs 5:34 pm
*head tilts to the side.....
ok....?
divaevetorres 5:34 pm
I was just waiting for the fierceness I knew was in there
Holly Marie Combs 5:34 pm
haha, I figure as much.
I hope I'm not making you feel like you have to defend your actions.
divaevetorres 5:35 pm
no
Holly Marie Combs 5:35 pm
ok good.
divaevetorres 5:35 pm
I asked for examples
:-P
Holly Marie Combs 5:35 pm
I just feel like the conversation has become a little serious and I didn't want it to be.
divaevetorres 5:35 pm
no way
divaevetorres 5:36 pm
so do you have a final 2 with anyone?
LOL
Holly Marie Combs 5:37 pm
No.
divaevetorres 5:37 pm
sorry, you didn't need answer that
what I should have asked was
if you were interested in having one
Holly Marie Combs 5:38 pm
I have told Sandra that she and I probably wouldn't have much of a fighting chance against you or Chris should either combination of She/I Vs. Chris/You make the end.
divaevetorres 5:38 pm
and I suppose if you did have a final 2 with Sandra, you'd just tell me so I could shut up and go away. :-P
divaevetorres 5:39 pm
I believe you
Holly Marie Combs 5:39 pm
yeah, if I had anything with Sandra this convo wouldn't have lasted this long.
divaevetorres 5:39 pm
ha ha I know that
so keeping Sandra over me would be because you think you'd have an easier time making final 2/winning the game?
divaevetorres 5:42 pm
and keeping me over Sandra would get you the same chance of making final 2, and nobody can guarantee anything about what the jury's going to do
Sausage said he wasn't voting for me when he left
you've always been closer to Kathy
LiLo's in the jury because of me
Sandra has to know I'm not a fan
that's four right there
that would make the other three jury members Lolly, James and Chris
divaevetorres 5:44 pm
it wouldn't even matter what they'd do
so anything can happen at that point
we've been talking for over an hour and a half!
time flies when you're fighting for your life. ;-)
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Holly Marie Combs 5:54 pm
sure does.
divaevetorres 5:55 pm
ok I'm going to leave you alone now.
divaevetorres 5:56 pm
I'm sure you'll want to talk to Sandra, or maybe not, if you've decided you're just going to keep me. ;-)
would you let me know either way later?
Holly Marie Combs 5:56 pm
I will let you know one way or another.
for sure.
right now, you've made an already tough decision even tougher.
divaevetorres 5:57 pm
that's good for me though?
isn't it?
:-P
alright, later.
Holly Marie Combs 5:57 pm
definitely :-D h
divaevetorres 5:57 pm
thanks. bye.
I'd be okay with sweating it out a bit. I really would. As long as she decides to keep me. But if she's worried she can't beat Sandra in the end, then she may evict her now.
Then I'll also have some ammunition against her next week, since she's obviously going to specifically request putting up HM or Chris so that we can send them to jury.
h